@pandas12345678_ i call this a hot take because people on scr seem to glaze kpop rap. ok i get that this sounds harsh but the bar for idol rapping as i said, its SO LOW and its ridiculous. kpop fans really have no understanding of rapping and rap talent and its glaringly obvious. not that im surprised, other than a few, idol rappers are just people who teh company needed to shoehorn into songs there are so many idols whose rapping is overhyped and i wont name who, but the fans always mistake their stage presence for rap talent. stage presence and delivery are quite close but delivery isnt rap's only aspect... fans really need to stop with saying that rapping is about preference and is subjective because LETS BE FR, NO IT IS NOT. NO IT IS NOT. rapping isnt about "whos style do u like most?" because kpop fans really think it is. if i see one more person saying "x idol is superior to y idol because i like her style more" i will genuinely crash out. (again: my point was to point out how kpop fans dont understand rap) rapping has five elements and kpop fans love ignoring that; flow, speed, diction, delivery, lyricism. and that brings me to another core issue with idol rapping: THE LACK OF LYRICISM. seriously? rapping is about storytelling and authenticity thats how it originated. if someone in hip hop didnt write their own lyrics, trust me they wouldnt be respected as a "rapper" and thats coming from someone who doesnt follow the genre much. oh yeah and the talking is a core issue too because at teh bare minimum rap is rhythmic talking right..? LIKE THE BARE, BARE MINIMUM? no because kpop rappers sometimes literally just talk, its SO SURPRISING. if you put a real rapper up against kpop rappers who people overhype (excluding people who genuinely deserve the praise they get, like soyeon/rm/han) they would get brutally destroyed. OVERALL: idol rapping has an incredibly low bar, the lack of lyricism is a massive issue, kpop fans dont understand what shows rap skill, and kpop "rappers" are usually doing below the bare minimum.