i dont normally post rants BUT THIS IS GETTING UNDER MY SKIN. you shouldnt have to expect another rant from me possibly ever again HI GUYS A FEW FAIR WARNINGS: - EXTREMELY STRONG OPINIONS SORRY - OOO IVANDREW SCARYY!!! - BAD THINGS SPOILERS DON READ IF YOU HAVENT FINISHED IT - IT IS PERFECTLY FINE IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME. IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSTIVE TO SAY, DONT SAY IT. im sensitive :( - I AM NOT DEFENDING IVAN! THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THIS RANT! edit: forgot to mention and this is probably a good idea to say, ive been a victim of multiple toxic relationships. im not oblivious about this or anything, im still dealing with big recoils from mutiple. PLEASE BE A REPSECTFUL HUMAN BEING IN THE COMMENTS if you choose to read my ranting, please read the whole thing. OKAY!! OKAY. YES. ivandrew IS toxic. i constantly see people saying that ivandrew fans "arent willing to accept it is" WE KNOW!!! WE KNNOOW!!! MAYBE YOU ARENT WILLING TO ACCEPT WE MAY LIEK THAT FACT ABOUT IT??? okay we may not LIKE that its toxic but that IS what makes it interesting!!! I WILL NEVER SEE THE APPEAL IN PERFECTLY HEALTHY SHIPS!!! theyre simply not as enjoyable. i feel ships need SOME tension to be at all interesting. edit: you CAN like someone whos bad for you too. i miss my abusers constantly even though i know they hurt me this is honestly just super upsetting to me! do you know what ships i like? no. you dont. i never mention my shipping opinions, because i dont like being judged by that. when i was really into phighting, i was a HUGE subkit fan. i never once stated that online, though. subkit was horribly hated. labelled "toxic" is was "wrong" to ship it. i feared the huge hate that came along with publicly admitting youre a fan of it. when i got into bad things? it was a huge breath of fresh air. finally, a fandom of something i REALLY ENJOYED considering a ship i ALSO REALLY ENJOYED as canon. though, slowly, since october? ive seen such a serve growth in ivandrew hate. in 9 months, ivandrew has gone from taken as canon, to horribly hated in the bad things fandom space. THE WORST PART IS CACTUS INTENDED FOR THEM TO HAVE ROMANTIC TENSION. THEY ARE PRACTICALLY CANON. CACTUS HAS CONFIRMED THEY WERE BASSICALLY IN A RELATIONSHIP, JUST NEVER DECLARED THEMSELVES ANYTHING. they were MEANT TO BE SHIPPED gng. ANOTHER NOTE!!! ivan was NOT toxic towards andrew pre-scene 6 / him moving in. they were in a perfectly healthy relationship. "i thought u said its boring to ship them during that time" yeah it is lol. JUST NOTING THAT IVAN WAS NOT ALWAYS TERRIBLE TOWARDS ANDREW!!! i also hate seeing people act like ivan did all that for NO REASON and jus because. HE LITERALLY HAS HALLUCINATIONS??? HE IS SEEING HIS DEAD FATHER. he obviously isnt himself in scene 12 / any time where he has the sprite w. one eye. he has some weird BPD stuff going on. HE IS NOT JUST A BAD GUY HE HAS MENTAL ISSUES. HE NEEDS MEDS BRO i saw something say "youre not an ivan fan if you treat him like hes a saint. hes a bad person" OKAY YOURE NOT AN ANDREW FAN IF YOU TREAT HIM LIKE HES PERFECT. ANDREW WAS IN THE RIGHT. I ACKWOLEDGE THIS FULLY. IVAN WAS THE WRONG ONE. BUT! ANDREW DIID NOTTT. HELP. i think something that makes andrew such a good character is that HES NOT PERFECT. can you people PLEASE stop treating him like he did NOTHING wrong. HE THREW OUT THAT SCRIPT AND REFUSED TO LET IVAN HELP BEFORE IVAN EVEN STARTED BEING TOXIC TO HIM!!! guys he is NOT perfect! and there is nothing wrong with that! no one is perfect!!! characters shouldnt be either! so much stuff has been wiped from the wiki its truly upsetting. the only stuff left over implies that andrew does not reciprocate feelings to ivan but that is JUS NOT TRUE. THE WIKI USED TO CONTAIN THAT ANDREW IS YAOIFUL (not acctually that wording) AND HAS FEELINGS FOR IVAN sorry earlier i saw someone say "why do people even ship them?" and someone respond with "idk" LIKE GANG. HE LITERALLY KISSES ANDREW IN SCENE 16. ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO ARGUE NOTHING IS THERE "BECAUSE I LOVE YOU, OR LOVED YOU ONCE" "IM SORRY, IM SORRY AND I LOVE YOU" "I THINK THAT LOVE LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE" LIKE GUYS. THE WORD "LOVE" WAS THROWN AROUND WAYYY WAY WAY. TOO MUCH FOR THERE TO BE NOTHING THERE "DONT YOU THINK ITS WEIRD FOR TWO MEN TO BE LIVING TOGETHER" GUYS. anwyas rant over <3 don hate me pleease. i wont hate you if you dont like ivandrew :( songs are two will wood songs i crunched a bunch. titles inside
